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Opinio Juris Discussion: Oona Hathaway, "Treaties' End"
The last couple of months have been very good for the study of foreign relations law. First, there was Marty Lederman’s (Georgetown) and David Barron’s (Harvard) two part article on the President’s Commander-in-Chief power when used in opposition to Congressional limitations. Now, we have Yale Law Professor Oona Hathaway’s analysis of the Constitution’s Treaty Clause and the modern practice of treatymaking. Entitled Treaties’ End: The Past, Present, and Future of International Lawmaking in the United States (you can download it from here), this is significant scholarship bringing together Constitutional history, comparative law, legal theory, and empirical research. We at Opinio Juris are very happy to host a discussion on this article starting tomorrow.

The implications of how we in the U.S. may constitutionally enter into international agreements has affected issues ranging from the adoption of the UN Charter, the establishment of the World Bank and IMF, and (as analyzed by Bruce Ackerman and David Golove) NAFTA. Ackerman and Hathaway recently co-authored an op-ed concerning the treaty power and President Bush’s attempt to make ongoing security commitments to Iraq via a “Status of Forces Agreement” (or SoFA) that would not face any kind of vote or advice and consent from Congress. Hathaway subsequently testified before Congress on this issue. Her print submission for her February 8 testimony before the House Committee on Foreign Affairs is available here; a video of her testimony is here.

We look forward to a discussion among Hathaway, the regular Opinio Juris bloggers, and guest-commentors, including David Golove (NYU), Catherine Powell (Fordham), and David Bowker (WilmerHale), that will cover not only her article, but related issues such as the proposed Iraq SoFA. And, as always, we encourage comments from our readers.
Treaties' End
The process for making binding international agreements in the United States proceeds along two separate but parallel tracks. The Treaty Clause—which requires a two-thirds vote in the Senate and bypasses the House of Representatives—is the better known of the two; it is principally used to conclude agreements on human rights, taxation, environment, arms control, and extradition. But an increasingly common path is the congressional-executive agreement, now used in virtually every area of international law. Each year, hundreds of congressional-executive agreements on a wide range of international legal topics are enacted by simple majorities in the House and Senate and signed into law by the President outside the traditional Treaty Clause process. (Executive agreements entered into by the President alone—often called sole executive agreements—are also on the rise and involve no formal congressional involvement at all. As Chris Borgen noted in his post, I discussed the proper scope of sole executive agreements in my recent testimony before Congress on the proposed agreement with Iraq on February 8 and March 4.)

In an article forthcoming in the Yale Law Journal, I argue that the days of two-track international lawmaking should come to an end: Nearly every international agreement that is currently made through the Treaty Clause can and should be approved by both houses of Congress as a congressional-executive agreement instead.

My case rests on empirical, cross-national comparative, historical, and policy analyses of the two separate tracks of U.S. international lawmaking. I begin with a broad empirical assessment of the international lawmaking practice of the United States during the last two decades of the twentieth century. I find that there is no overarching logic that explains why some international agreements are concluded through treaties and others through congressional executive agreements. Instead, international lawmaking is haphazardly carved up between the two tracks, with some areas assigned to the Treaty Clause route, others to the congressional-executive agreement route, and many uncomfortably straddling the two.

Using new comparative data I have collected, I also show that the United States is one of only six countries that require a supermajority vote in the legislature in order to ratify a treaty. Even more striking, only one other country—Tajikistan—provides for less involvement by a part of the legislature in treaty-making than in domestic lawmaking and makes the results of that process automatically a part of domestic law.

To explain how the United States came to have such a haphazard and unusual system for making international law, I trace the history of the two tracks of international lawmaking back to the Founding. The current system rests on rules and patterns of practice developed in response to specific contingent events—events that for the most part have little or no continuing significance. Rather than guided by clear legal principles, our current bifurcated system is the result of political and historical factors that, in the main, would have little continuing relevance were they not embodied in present practice.

Not only are the reasons for continuing to rely on the Treaty Clause no longer relevant, but the Treaty Clause process is also demonstrably inferior as a matter of U.S. public policy to congressional-executive agreements on nearly all crucial dimensions: ease of use, democratic legitimacy, and strength of the international legal commitments that are created. Thus, I conclude by presenting a vision for the future of international lawmaking in the United States that charts a course toward ending the Treaty Clause for all but a handful of international agreements. By gradually replacing most Article II treaties with congressional-executive agreements, policymakers can make America’s domestic engagement with international law more sensible, more effective, and more democratic.
Comparativism and Constitutional Structure
I again want to thank Oona Hathaway for joining us in this discussion of her article Treaties’ End. As I mentioned in my opening post, her article is both rich in historical detail and deploys impressive empirical research. I will turn to the historical argument in a later post, for now I want to focus on an aspect of her article that I found especially interesting: her use of empirical research into how other states make treaties.

The results of Oona's comparative research leads to some striking observations:
Only five other countries (Algeria, Burundi, Iraq, the Philippines, and Poland) require a legislative supermajority to ratify a treaty (p.136)

Only twenty-three states (including the U.S.) have different voting requirements for treaties than for domestic legislation (p.137)

The United States is one of only four countries (along with Ethiopia, the Philippines, and Tajikistan) that has less involvement by the legislature in treatymaking than in law making (p. 138)

Only Tajikistan and the United States have a lower level of legislative involvement for treatymaking than for legislation and “make the results of this process automatically part of domestic law in more than a few confined areas of law.” (p.138)
These results are quite persuasive that what the U.S. does is somehow different. But is what the U.S. is doing somehow wrong or unwise? My question, in sum, is what role should comparative analysis play in decisionmaking over whether or not to (continue the) shift from using Article II treaties to congressional-executive agreements? I don’t mean this question as a rehash of the debate over the use of foreign sources in statutory or Constitutional interpretation because what Oona is proposing is not a matter of interpretation, per se, but rather an argument about the function of types of Consitutional decisionmaking, that is, that agreements are a better policy option (more democratic, more effective, etc.) than the Article II treaty option.

But, to what extent is comparativism useful in this? As Oona persuasively argues, the current U.S. practice concerning the use of agreements versus treaties is idiosyncratic and based on the twists and turns of our Constitutional history. But couldn’t the same be said for any of these other examples? Treatymaking in each country is tied to its own history, its own idiosyncrasies. Aren’t how we make laws particularly immune to comparative approaches as they the result of a domestic bargain?(As opposed to, say, using comparativism to define what is a prevailing interpretation of “cruel and unusual punishment”)

So, even if the U.S. is a statistical outlier in how it makes treaties, should this matter?

The Value of Comparative Research
Chris makes several excellent points about the value of comparative research. I think it is worth mentioning that I came to this topic from the comparative perspective rather than the other way around. I have for four years now been working on a project in which I am examining the international and domestic lawmaking processes of the 186 countries that have a constitution (or basic laws that essentially operate as one). When I examined the initial data this past summer, I was surprised to see that the United States was such an outlier. This struck me as an interesting puzzle: Why and how did the United States come to have such an unusual international lawmaking process?

The comparative research thus puts the U.S. experience into perspective and offers us a better sense of the range of possibilities. This can be helpful because scholars who have written about the international lawmaking process in the United States frequently assume that the U.S. international lawmaking process is the norm. Seeing our practices in comparative perspective makes it clear that it is not.

I do not mean to suggest that doing things differently from the rest of the world is in itself wrong or unwise. As I put it in the article, “[t]hat the process for making treaties in the United States is extremely unusual does not mean, of course, that it is necessarily wrong or misguided." But it does lead us to ask why our way of doing things is so unusual--and if there might not be a better way. To me, that is the value of the comparative perspective for this project.
Reflections on Treaties' End
In her forthcoming article in the Yale Law Journal, Oona Hathaway argues, not only that congressional-executive agreements (CEAs) are constitutionally permissible alternatives to treaties, but also that such statutes have a richer and broader historical pedigree than is commonly assumed, and that, with minor exceptions, such CEAs are superior along several dimensions to traditional treaties as a mechanism for making international agreements. Hathaway therefore proposes that the political branches should presumptively use the mechanism of statutory approval, rather than treaty advice and consent, in order to effect almost all international agreements. (Treaties would, under Hathaway's proposal, be used only where Congress lacks any Article I power to enact the substantive laws that the agreement requires.)

We are generally sympathetic with Professor Hathaway’s project, and applaud her important contribution to the ongoing debate over the relative constitutionality and virtues of CEAs and treaties. We are skeptical, however, about some of the crucial arguments Hathaway makes in support of her central claim that CEAs create more reliable U.S. commitments than treaties. We will address those arguments in greater detail in subsequent posts. In this initial post, we will focus on those areas where we agree with Hathaway (at least in part) with respect to the desirability of CEAs.

In Part III of her article, Professor Hathaway identifies several reasons why, in her view, the political branches should in almost all cases presumptively choose to use statutes, rather than the Senate’s treaty-consent mechanism, in order to commit the United States to international agreements. We agree with Hathaway that CEAs offer a superior alternative to the treaty in at least two important respects.

First, as one of us (Golove) developed with Bruce Ackerman at more length some years ago, concluding agreements by use of a CEA is the more democratic alternative. This is true in part due to two simple facts: A CEA requires the assent of the more democratic chamber of Congress, and it conditions approval on bare majorities rather than creating a minority veto. There are, however, not insubstantial counterarguments about the democratic value of supermajoritarian rules such as the requirement of a two-thirds vote of the Senate for treaties. More importantly, the argument from democracy is based on a qualitative assessment of the impact of the Treaty Clause’s two-thirds requirement on the particular political institutions created by the Constitution (as well as the unexpected developments with respect to political parties that emerged after its adoption), and, most importantly, on the long, concrete historical experience the nation has had with the veto that can be wielded by one-third of Senators, representing a very tiny percentage of the nation. Indeed, it was that very history – and the terrible dilemmas that it created – that led to the development of the modern congressional-executive agreement.

The second, and more intriguing though ultimately less important, respect in which the congressional-executive agreement is superior to the treaty – which Professor Hathaway also discusses – is that it eliminates a potentially problematic anomaly created by the constitutionally prescribed Senate advice and consent procedure in some cases. The anomaly is that the institutions that make treaties in the first instance (the President and Senate) are differently constituted than the institutions that might be responsible for implementing them and maintaining adherence to them over time (namely, both houses of Congress and the President). If, for example, a treaty requires new appropriations, or the establishment of a new federal criminal law, the United States cannot fulfill its obligations without the House’s involvement. This disjuncture introduces the potential for one set of institutions (President/Senate) to bind us internationally to obligations that another institution (the House), after the fact, may prefer to avoid. By aligning the institutions that decide to make an agreement in the first instance with those that must implement and maintain adherence to them over time, the CEA option avoids potential structural pressures that may lead to defaults on international treaty obligations, thereby making them more reliable in the sense that Professor Hathaway stresses: a House of Representatives that agrees to authorize or approve such an agreement will more than likely also agree to take the steps necessary to ensure compliance with it. Indeed, as Professor Hathaway notes, it is possible, and desirable, for the Congress to take both steps simultaneously, i.e., for a single enactment to both approve the compact and to provide for its implementation (e.g., by making appropriations). This sort of “one-stop shopping,” in Hathaway’s words, ensures our negotiating partners that the agreement we are about to make will (almost surely) not be undercut by subsequent House recalcitrance.

Nevertheless, this problem, and the advantage of using CEAs in order to avoid it, is much less significant than it appears at first, for at least two reasons. First, the President and Senate early on recognized that the problem could be solved, even with respect to treaties, simply by seeking the adoption of implementing legislation in advance of ratification, or by making U.S. obligations under a ratified treaty contingent on the adoption of the necessary legislation. That practice simply makes the misalignment disappear. This “solution,” however, is not ideal, because it exacerbates the democracy problem: It becomes necessary not only to obtain two-thirds consent in the Senate, which gives a relatively small minority an effective veto over treaties, but also to obtain the consent of a majority of the House. That seems in strong tension with the constitutional design, and, more importantly, it ratchets up the difficulty of making treaties an extra notch, a development that even more dramatically tips the playing field against effective treaty-making.

More significantly, however, the problem does not have to arise at all with respect to most international agreements, because the participation of the House of Representatives is simply unnecessary from a constitutional point of view in most instances. It is true, of course, that there are some areas in which the Constitution requires House involvement, such as where agreements compel appropriations or the enactment of criminal laws. But those areas are very limited, and thus the concern Professor Hathaway raises is relatively less significant. It is true that the House has historically sought to claim a required role over more territory, including treaty provisions concerning tariffs, but most leading authorities have not recognized that claim as constitutionally viable. In any case, moreover, to the extent that the House has been able to insist on that claim as a political matter in certain narrow areas, such as with respect to trade agreements, the CEA has, in fact, tended to supersede the treaty form in practice. That makes sense, but it does not amount to a general reason for abandoning the treaty form in other areas in which there is no constitutional obligation to involve the House.


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In her article, Professor Hathaway focuses primarily on two other ways in which CEAs are said to establish more reliable commitments than treaties: (i) that they can provide for judicial enforcement; and (ii) that they can limit the circumstances of unilateral executive withdrawal. We are much more skeptical of these claims, principally because it is not clear that such commitments cannot be just as easily made in the context of treaties. We will address those arguments in our next post.
Democracy and Treaties
As David Golove and Marty Lederman note in their post, I argue in my article that one important advantage of congressional-executive agreements over Article II treaties is their stronger democratic legitimacy. I want to say a few more words on the grounds for this claim.

The Treaty Clause provides that agreements are made by the President with the "advice and consent" of two-thirds of the Senate. Congressional-executive agreements, by contrast are made by the President acting in concert with majorities of both houses of Congress. Unlike the process for making congressional-executive agreements, then, the Article II process excludes the House of Representatives. Critics of international law frequently contend that international law is undemocratic, often basing their complaints on this exclusionary process. The assumption behind the complaint is often that the U.S. process is also the international norm. As discussed earlier, the Treaty Clause process is, in fact, extremely unusual: only Tajikistan and the United States have a lower level of legislative involvement in treaty-making than in ordinary legislation and make the results of this process automatically part of domestic law in more than a few confined areas of international law. The fault, then, if there is one, is not that of international law but of the United States’ distinctive method of making that law.

The Founders designed the Treaty Clause as they did not because of a belief that a supermajority vote in the Senate (and exclusion of the House) would somehow be more democratic. The Clause was instead the product of an almost immediately frustrated expectation that the Senate would play a role as a confidential council of advisors to the President in treaty-making, as well as the very distinct historical context in which the Treaty Clause was formed (related to a desire among the southern states to protect their rights to free navigation of the Mississippi).

As I also discuss in the article, the same lawmaking process that sets too low a bar in the House sets an excessively high bar (in my view) in the Senate. The two-thirds rule imposed by Article II is among the highest imposed in the Constitution. There are substantial, and frequently unacknowledged, costs to this exceptionally high requirement. The supermajority requirement imposed by the Treaty Clause means that treaties that enjoy the support of a strong majority of the population and its political representatives may still not be approved.

This is all the more true because the Senate is extremely malapportioned--far more so today than it was even a century ago. Today, senators representing only about eight percent of the country’s population can halt a treaty. Hence achieving the support of a two-thirds majority can require playing to the polarized extremes of modern American politics: If we array the senators in the 109th Congress from most liberal to most conservative according to a widely used measure of ideological position, we see that the sixty-seventh senator was just over twice as conservative as the fifty-first senator. In the reverse dimension, the sixty-seventh senator was also just over twice as liberal as the fifty-first. In other words, the supermajority requirement means treaties must gain the support of (and hence can be vetoed by) senators that are twice as conservative or liberal as the so-called median voter in the Senate.

I acknowledge that there are cases in which a supermajority requirement of this form can be democracy-enhancing, because it requires a broader consensus to develop before action can be taken. Judith Resnik, for example, has persuasively argued that a supermajority is democracy-promoting in the context of the selection of Article III judges. Ratifying a treaty is fundamentally different, however, from approving judges. Most notably, if a particular nominated judge is not approved, another one who can command broader support will almost certainly be nominated in his or her stead. By contrast, if a treaty is rejected, there will be no international agreement (unless, of course, it is concluded by congressional-executive agreement, as I advocate).
A Decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind
In reading Chris Borgen’s incisive post on Oona Hathaway’s masterfully written article, I was reminded of the American Declaration of Independence. The 1776 Declaration boldly declared, “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another… a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.” At first blush, it may seem counterintuitive that the American Declaration reflected a concern with opinions or practices beyond our borders, at the very moment this small band of patriots was declaring its independence. At the same time, American independence occurred within a context of the new country’s inherent interdependence with the rest of the world – a recognition present even at the Founding. In other words, the only way in which the U.S. could envision itself as “a shining city or a hill,” is if it recognized the “valleys and plains” in its midst. Therefore, as Vicki Jackson perceptively notes, comparativism is a key component toward alternatively appreciating or criticizing American exceptionalism.

This then brings me to a central puzzle Professor Hathaway confronts in her article. Why is it that the international law making in the U.S. has flourished and expanded in certain fields – for example trade – even while it has stagnated in other areas – such as human rights? (Note that this is a separate question from whether ratification of human rights treaties leads to an improved human rights record — a topic Hathaway has addressed elsewhere). Many observers approach the gap between the flourishing of international lawmaking in trade and its stagnation in human rights as a question of substance rather than as a question of process. It turns out, Hathaway tells us, that this gap reflects the fact that the process by which international law is made in the trade area is more likely to be by congressional executive agreement (i.e., NAFTA) while the process by which international law is made in the human rights area is exclusively by treaty (i.e., the Genocide Convention).

Along the lines of Martin Lederman and David Golove in their post, I agree with Hathaway that by including the House of Representatives and dropping the supermajority requirement for the Senate, the process by which congressional executive agreements are made is more democratically legitimate than the treaty process. This is not to say that treaties are democratically illegitimate, but, as I have explored elsewhere, the treaty process has its deficits. At a moment when the public is becoming more directly involved in innovative and exciting ways at an international level (whether in the context of demonstrations at international trade negotiations or more formal participation as nongovernmental observers in United Nations (UN) human rights treaty bodies), by contrast at the national level, the public is, at best, less involved or even aware of treaties, and, at worst, skeptical of the efficacy and legitimacy of international institutions that monitor and support enforcement of treaties. Indeed, in the area of human rights, an important new public opinion poll by Opportunity Agenda demonstrates that while Americans are extremely open to the language and values of human rights, Americans are more reticent about international institutions that monitor and enforce human rights treaties. Perhaps then it’s not surprising that while over a hundred nongovernmental organizations went to Geneva last month to participate in the U.S. compliance hearing before the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD), Senator Barack Obama did not mention CERD in his groundbreaking speech on race earlier in the week.

In a later post, I’ll return to the role race has played in the development of U.S. treaty practice– an issue on which Hathaway provides important new insights.
Operationalizing Treaties' End
I very much like Oona Hathaway's article. I think the most helpful part of your article is how you challenge the commonplace notion that there are obvious substantive differences between Article II treaties and Congressional-Executive Agreements (CEAs). Tables 1 and 2 grouping Article II treaties and CEAs by subject matter are priceless on that score.

I have one quibble and a question. I quibble with your explanation as to why human rights treaties have been challenged with much greater force than trade agreements. You argue that human rights were resisted by Senator Bricker and company because of fears they would bring about internal change. That may have been true a generation ago. But in the post-Civil Rights era, I would think that the concern about human rights treaties is not so much that these agreements would bring about internal change, but rather that they are largely superfluous. There is little political incentive to sign on to treaties that would simply replicate constitutional and statutory guarantees. For example, does CEDAW or the Convention on the Rights of the Child really add that much to existing state and federal law? I doubt it, especially given that any such ratification would be qualified with RUDs. Bilateral and multilateral trade agreements, by contrast, are so popular because they offer tremendous economic benefits that can only be achieved by reciprocal commitments to lower trade barriers.

My question concerns your intriguing proposal for "informal reform strategy" in which existing Article II treaties would be withdrawn and resubmitted to both houses of Congress as CEAs. You make a good point that Article II treaties are captured by extremists on the left and right in ways that CEAs are not. You state that "the supermajority requirement means that treaties must gain the support of senators that are twice as conservative or liberal as the so-called median voter in the Senate." (p. 175). You further state that "there is nothing preventing the resubmission of the many stalled treaties still before the Senate as congressional-executive agreements, including, for example, the Vienna Convention the Law of Treaties, [CEDAW], or even the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea...." (p. 217)

So my question is, what is stopping the executive and legislative branches from adopting this strategy? Is it formalistic or pragmatic? If it is the latter, why not create incentives encouraging both branches to embrace the CEA approach? As you intimate on page 216, it would seem that one could expand fast track authority to all new international agreements. Every time Congress gives the Executive fast track authority, it does so on the understanding that it will be intimately involved in the treaty-making process. That creates benefits to Congress in exchange for the cost of an up-or-down vote without amendments. It also creates huge benefits to the Executive branch, not only in how it negotiates with other countries, but also in knowing that the agreement will be presented to Congress as a CEA without amendments or supermajority voting. Another option would be an Executive "fast track request" for negotiating authority of a specific treaty outside the trade context, in which the Executive branch would seek fast track authority before it ever began negotiations with other countries. You spend precious little time fleshing out your proposal for informal reform, and I would be curious what you think are the obstacles.
Oona Hathaway, Constitutional Actor
I'd like to join Roger in focusing on how the trend away from article II treaties is perfected.

Oona's "informal reform strategy" suggests that the move to CEA’s (with only a few exceptional areas carved out for continuing article II treatment) can be implemented through presidential submission choices. The strategy is “both legally unproblematic and politically feasible. It is, as a mechanical matter, breathtakingly simple. It would require no changes to existing law or regulations.”

But the current subject-matter divide is arguably of constitutional proportions. That is, the practice may reflect existing constitutional norms. As such, they will be much less readily dislodged than the piece seems to imply.

The arms control context best highlights the possible obstacles here. There has in fact been "overt resistance" to the trend away from article II. The Senate has attached declarations to all major arms control agreements since 1972 expressing its "intent to approve international agreements [relating to arms control] only pursuant to the Treaty Power as set forth in Article II." President Clinton reversed a decision to submit the 1997 CFE Flank Agreement as a congressional-executive agreement after facing pushback from the Senate. You can bet that anti-internationalists would make an issue out of instrument form if a human rights agremeent or the LOST were submitted as a CEA.

In other words, it's not clear that the Senate will go quietly into the Hathaway night. It has the weight of longstanding practices behind it, and that will make the reform strategy a longer slog than one might think.

Which is not at all to question Oona's other arguments here. There may be a constitutional practice relating to choice of form, but that doesn't mean that it makes any sense. To the extent it doesn't, there will opportunities to chip further away at treaties' domain, in a chain of constitutional increments. (A recent bill introduced by Senator Clinton is instructive in this regard: it would permit the conclusion of the Iraq security agreement to take the form of a CEA.)

As part of that process, academic work can make a difference, here especially in the absence of judicial pronouncements. This article will become part of the mix that affects constitutional outcomes. Which way it affects outcomes might not be as clear as at first glance, though. On the one hand, the empirical analysis points to the triumph of CEAs as something of a foregone conclusion (especially to the extent that it succeeds in rebutting the "separate spheres" take on the practice). On the other hand, it may make the guardians of senatorial prerogative all the more vigilant in protecting their institutional powers.
Human Rights and International Lawmaking
Cathy and Roger both pick up on the special role that human rights treaties play in the history of international lawmaking in the United States. In my article, I argue that the current bifurcated system of international lawmaking took its shape over the course of the twentieth century. The United States gradually abandoned the mercantilist, protectionist trade policy that it had pursued since the Civil War in favor of a policy built on reciprocal congressional-executive agreements on trade. Meanwhile, opposition to human rights agreements motivated significant opposition to treaties especially in the second half of the century. In particular, in the 1950s, a series of proposed amendments to the Constitution (usually referred to as “the Bricker Amendment”) aimed to prevent the United States from entering international human rights agreements that some feared would be used to challenge segregation and Jim Crow. Roger asks if this concern is still relevant. I think it is in two ways.

First, past practice influences present practice. The controversy over the Bricker Amendment ended in a “compromise” in which the amendment was defeated at the cost of future human rights agreements, which would thereafter be concluded only as Article II treaties that had been rendered almost entirely unenforceable through reservations, understandings, and declarations (RUDs)--that is, if they were ratified at all. That continues to be true even today, both because of the natural force of precedent and because of the specific incorporation of past practice into the Circular 175 Procedure followed by the State Department in deciding which instrument to use for an agreement.

Second, there remain concerns among many of those who resist ratifying international human rights treaties that the treaties will bring about internal changes in the United States. This was the central line of attack on the Convention to Eliminate All Forms of Discrimination Against Women at the hearings before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as recently as June 13, 2002. Congresswoman Davis, for example, stated that we should not “be eager to have our laws and social structures pronounced upon by an international committee made up in part by representatives of nations with notoriously poor human rights records” while at the same time echoing concerns raised by others that ratifying the treaty might lead to calls to decriminalize prostitution and end Mothers’ Day. Those concerns were voiced in spite of the fact that the RUDs would have almost certainly made direct enforcement of the treaty in U.S. courts impossible.

Roger asks what is stopping the executive and legislative branches from proposing agreements that ordinary would have proceeded as Article II treaties as congressional-executive agreements instead. I think that the reticence is due in part to a misreading of the law (that I am trying to correct in this article) and in part to a commitment to precedent (that I am arguing is misplaced). I expect it is also due in part to concerns about how such agreements might be received by the Senate (which, after all, has to approve congressional-executive agreements as well). But that, too, is surmountable. In the past, the Senate has been open to greater use of congressional-executive agreements even at the expense of its unique role in the Article II treaty process. A committed President and congressional leaders could lead the Senate to take the next step.
Recognizing the Complexity in Comparative Analysis of National Treaty Law and Practice
First off, let me thank Oona Hathaway and our guest bloggers for contributing to what is turning into a highly useful discussion of the relative merits of Article II treaties vs. congressional-executive agreements. Oona's work is ambitious and provocative, seeking to marshal comparative, historical, and normative arguments in favor of (largely) discontinuing the Article II treaty-making process. Some of the most interesting discussion, no doubt, involves the historical and normative inquiries, but I wanted to say a word about the comparative issue Chris initially raised before we get too far down either of those other roads.

In responding to Chris’s questions about the utility of comparative analysis to her argument, Oona cites her own research to suggest that the United States is an outlier in terms of its Senate advice and consent process. Although I’d agree with her contention that the United States approach is relatively unique, I don’t agree that it follows that the United States must be viewed as operating inconsistently with how some majority of other states approach questions of legislative approval for treaty-making. My own research on the topic suggests that, although virtually all states require some form of legislative approach for some treaties, the diversity of approaches makes it difficult to create a uniform spectrum on one end of which the United States lies.

For starters, Oona suggests that Tajikistan and the United States are “the only countries in the world that provide for less involvement by a part of the legislature in treaty-making than in domestic lawmaking and make the results of this process automatically part of domestic law . . .” (p. 37) But what about Mexico? Under the Mexican Constitution, Mexico’s treaties are concluded by its President with the approval of its Senate alone and, so long as they are not inconsistent with the constitution, operate as the “supreme law of the land.” (see Arts. 89(X) and 133 of the Mexican Constitution). Similarly, Oona suggests that “only five other countries in the world—Algeria, Burundi, Iraq, Philippines, and Poland—require a supermajority vote in their legislature in order for the country to ratify a treaty” (p. 36) But there are other states that do require a supermajority vote, if not for all treaties, than at least for certain ones that implicate core constitutional issues (e.g., Austria, Germany, the Netherlands). States like Austria and Germany, moreover, also alter the respective functions of their legislative bodies for certain types of treaties than the functions they normally apply in considering domestic legislation.

I was also struck by the relative lack of discussion of “commonwealth” states such as the United Kingdom, Canada and India that don’t require legislative approval for treaty formation at all. If one were to try and construct some spectrum of legislative participation, it would seem that these states, not the United States, would have to be the outliers in terms of democratic participation in treaty formation. In truth, however, I think such a spectrum is difficult to create, particularly given that for most states the question is not so much how the legislature approves a treaty, but when it does so. Indeed, the United States is remarkably similar to the majority of states in having a multiplicity of domestic legal processes for forming treaties, only some of which involve the legislature. Some states (e.g., Chile, the Netherlands, South Africa, Switzerland) exempt out certain treaties from legislative approval; many others require approval only for specific categories of treaties (e.g., Egypt, France, Germany, Japan, Russia, Thailand).

Moreover, in focusing on legislative approval of treaties, I fear Oona’s comparative analysis undervalues the non-legislative mechanisms that other states have devised in deciding whether to join a treaty. For example, Switzerland has a relatively robust practice of popular referenda to approve some of its more politically or economically important treaties (as does France, albeit to a much more limited extent). Other states involve their judiciary, requiring a Constitutional Court or its equivalent to opine on a treaty’s constitutionality in advance of that state joining the treaty. Still other states—notably Canada and Germany—have mechanisms that incorporate the opinions of sub-national actors as part of the treaty-formation or implementation process. Thus, if you’re going to use a comparative lens to advocate for a more democratic treaty-making process, I’d think the paper needs to acknowledge the diversity not only among, but within, most states in how they go about joining treaties.

Finally, notwithstanding the value of Oona’s comparative research on its own terms, I wonder about its utility in the current context. It seems strange to me to rely only on foreign constitutions (and/or basic laws) in making a comparative analysis here. After all, if one did that for the United States, the congressional-executive agreement process at the heart of this paper would be left out. Similarly, I’m concerned that painting the United States as an outlier solely based on what foreign constitutions say may miss glosses on those texts by statutes, regulations or state practice. For example, although India’s constitution suggests that treaty-formation will require an act of Parliament (which I suspect is why Oona lists it in Annex C as requring regular legislative approval), in fact, the Parliament never passed the requisite law giving effect to this power. As a result, notwithstanding the constitutional text, in India the Executive continues to make treaties unfettered by any legislative approval requirement. Of course, the actual practice may cut the other way as well--for example, even as states like the United Kingdom say that they need no legislative approval to enter into a treaty, they have a practice of getting legislation if the treaty requires a change or expansion of existing domestic law in order to implement it.

In sum, I welcome Oona’s effort to try and place the U.S approach to treaty-making in a comparative context. At the same time, however, I worry that in its present effort to create hard categories that seek to distinguish how other states operate from the Article II process, the paper may give the false impression that other states lack some of the same multi-faceted features that exist in U.S. treaty law and practice. Of course, this critique doesn’t undercut the value of her overall inquiry, but it does suggest a comparative analysis may not do exactly what her current draft suggests it does.
Missouri v. Holland and Treaties' End

Even if historical practice does not provide a legitimate basis for restricting the scope of the congressional-executive agreement power, federalism might. Under Missouri v. Holland, neither Article II treaties nor the statutes that implement them are subject to the enumerated power limitations that apply to Congress. While these limitations are relatively modest, especially with respect to activities involving the production of goods (as illustrated by the medical marijuana case, Gonzales v. Raich), they have been enforced in some prominent modern cases, including in United States v. Lopez (disallowing federal regulation of possession of handguns near schools), Boerne v. Flores (disallowing federal regulation of local zoning), and United States v. Morrison (disallowing federal regulation of intrastate violence against women).

One of the strongest arguments for the holding in Missouri v. Holland is that the supermajority senatorial consent process specified in Article II provides enough political process protection for federalism, such that judicial enforcement of federalism is not needed in this context. Defenders of Holland also point to the practice of the Senate in either blocking some treaties thought to be particularly intrusive on federalism, or in attaching federalism-protective reservations, understandings, and declarations to its consent to treaties, as proof that the senatorial consent process does in fact protect state interests. This political process line of argumentation is unavailable, however, for congressional-executive agreements, which follow the same domestic process as is used for statutes. A number of supporters of congressional-executive agreements have therefore concluded that they do not receive the benefit of Missouri v. Holland, and this is also Oona’s conclusion.

Because of this, Oona pulls back from calling for treaties’ end, and only calls for their partial end. She states that, “[i]n contrast with Article II treaties, congressional-executive agreements cannot exceed the bounds placed by the Constitution on congressional authority” and that therefore “[w]ere there an international agreement that required the federal government to exercise powers beyond those granted to Congress, it could (and should) be ratified through the Treaty Clause just as it would be today.” This is a perfectly reasonable concession, but it seems to me that Oona probably underestimates the extent to which this issue will arise, especially in the area of human rights law. To take just one example, is it really clear that Congress could simply enact all of the local family law provisions in the Convention on the Rights of the Child?

Oona also appears to assume that we will know in advance which treaties will exceed Congress’s authority, and that we can channel those (allegedly very rare) treaties into the Article II process and the rest into the congressional-executive agreement process. The bounds of Congress’s Article I authority, however, are notoriously unclear, and much will depend on how particular treaty provisions are interpreted and applied. As a result, her concession might actually provide support for a categorical approach to the issue whereby certain types of agreements likely to raise federalism issues (e.g., human rights agreements) are presumptively channeled to the Senate to foster constitutional avoidance. (Incidentally, I agree with other posts that have expressed the view that this channeling is going to continue anyway since we now have a political equilibrium for human rights agreements that is unlikely to be disturbed by academic grumbling about the irrationality of our constitutional practice.)

It seems to me that a more fundamental objection to Oona’s federalism concession, however, is that there is tension between her democracy-oriented defense of congressional-executive agreements and her support of Missouri v. Holland. She rightly observes that it is more democratic to have a majority of both houses of Congress decide on our international commitments than to give this authority solely to a supermajority of the Senate. Yet, if we should be concerned about democracy with respect to the making of international commitments, shouldn’t we be at least as concerned about democracy with respect to the making of domestic law? Nevertheless, Oona is perfectly comfortable giving a supermajority of the Senate more domestic legislative power than a majority of two houses of Congress, pursuant to Holland. (A non-self-executing treaty will require that the House of Representatives take part in domestic implementation, but Oona does not appear to condition her support of Holland on non-self-execution. In any event, even when the treaty is non-self-executing, the House may feel constrained to enact implementing legislation to avoid a breach of the agreement.) As multilateral treatymaking becomes increasingly pervasive and increasingly overlaps with domestic regulation, this democracy issue will only continue to grow. If we are to have treaties’ end, it may also be time for Holland’s end.
Too Quick to Dismiss the Founders' Concerns
It was a privilege to read Oona Hathaway's Treaties' End. It's beautifully written, thought-provoking, and original - a hat-trick in academic writing. I join the other commentators in applauding this great contribution to the scholarship on international lawmaking in the United States.

While I agree with much of Professor Hathaway's analysis, I came away unpersuaded by the analysis of the Founding events and question whether the historical context can be so easily dismissed as having "little or no continuing significance." According to Professor Hathaway, the decision to "place responsibility for concluding treaties in the hands of the President and the Senate alone" rested on two "central reasons": (1) "it was expected that the Senate would be directly involved in negotiating treaties and would serve as the President's 'council of advisors' in treaty-making"; and (2) "it was seen as a way to keep the federal government from bargaining away regional interests." Professor Hathaway concludes that these rationales "are entirely products of a particular time and set of circumstances that no longer hold."

Although I don't profess to be a constitutional historian, it seems this analysis may fall short in at least two respects. First, it oversimplifies the history of the Treaty Clause by failing to consider several important historical factors at the Founding (...understanding that such simplification may be an unavoidable cost of writing a piece with such breadth and depth on comparative and other issues). Second, it underestimates the ongoing significance of such historical concerns.

With regard to the first point, there were various other factors underlying the deal that was struck in the Treaty Clause. For example, some Founders were keen to limit the power of the House, especially in matters of economics and foreign policy, where popular sentiment might regularly lie at odds with the long term interests of the nation, as perceived by the "upper" house and the educated elite. Some Founders were equally determined to limit the ability of the President to enter into alliances and other foreign “entanglements" that might embroil the nation in the intractable feuds and squabbles of the Old World. Conversely, still others were concerned about the problem that the new nation lacked credibility among the colonial superpowers because – as Professor Hathaway recognizes - it seemed "incapable of observing treaty obligations." There are doubtless as many additional concerns as there were delegates to the Convention.

With regard to the second point, although the times have changed, surely, at least some of these issues remain relevant and important today. Take, for example, the credibility problem. Today, the U.S. is seen as having a credibility gap with regard to international law, due in part to its unwillingness or inability to adhere to its international commitments. To make easier the process of entering into such commitments - or, conversely, to equate the treaty commitment with less formal, less binding executive commitments - may exacerbate the problem by increasing the perception that U.S. commitments rise and fall with the four-year presidential election cycle.

Finally, what underlies the assumptions that "democratic legitimacy" and bureaucratic efficiency are virtues in the context of international agreements? Wasn't the Treaty Clause intended in part to insulate our international commitments from the whims of a popular majority? (See, e.g., the Geneva Convention debate, today.) And why is bureaucratic efficiency in the formation and proliferation of international commitments a positive development in a nation founded on the notion that foreign entanglements may threaten domestic liberty and undermine sovereignty?
The Founders, Democracy, and Missouri v. Holland
David and Curt both raise interesting points that I’d like to address.

First, David worries that I am too quick to dismiss the Founders’ concerns. I argue in my article that the Founders decided to place responsibility for concluding treaties in the hands of the President and the Senate alone for two central reasons. First, it was expected that the Senate would be directly involved in negotiating treaties and would serve as the President’s “council of advisors” in treaty-making. Second, it was seen as a way to keep the federal government from bargaining away regional interests.

There were, of course, other concerns voiced by various actors during this period, many of which I mention in the piece. (As David notes, there were “doubtless as many additional concerns as there were delegates to the Convention.”) But based on my reading of the Constitutional Convention, state conventions, contemporary historical events, and legal scholarship on the issue, these were the two “central” concerns--and hence the ones that are most important to address.

I agree with David that there were--and are--other concerns that should be considered in deciding whether to continue making agreements through the Article II Treaty Clause or instead through congressional-executive agreements. Much of my article is devoted to discussing these other concerns. I also recognize that my discussion does not exhaust all possible considerations and I welcome a new, robust debate about these issues. On the issue of credible commitments that David raises, I think that congressional-executive agreements lead to more credible commitments for reasons discussed at length in the article. Treaties have an aura of inviolability that is belied by reality. Presidents have unilaterally withdrawn from treaties, even over the strenuous objections of members of Congress (remember the ABM treaty?). And Congress can prevent a treaty’s enforcement by passing an inconsistent statute. A move to congressional-executive agreements thus makes our international commitments no more vulnerable to the four-year presidential election cycle--in fact, I think it can make them less so.

Finally, David asks what underlies the assumption that democratic legitimacy and bureaucratic efficiency are virtues in the context of international agreements. We may just have a difference of opinion on this point. I think that these virtues are especially important in the modern era, when international law and domestic law are increasingly intertwined and overlapping. International law today does not simply deal in matters of diplomatic relations and border disputes--issues one might argue should be insulated from the masses. Modern international law is about everything from education to tax policy to torture. In this era, the exclusion of the House from participation in international lawmaking is increasingly dissonant.

Let me turn now to Curt’s points about Missouri v. Holland--which also connect to issues of democratic legitimacy. Curt’s has written extensively and provocatively on the limits of international law and I've learned a lot from his scholarship. As he points out, we agree on some matters (that the holding in Missouri v. Holland does not apply to congressional-executive agreements) and disagree on others (that human rights agreements fall outside Congress’s Article I powers and hence must be concluded as Article II treaties). Much of our disagreement in this context has nothing to do with international law. It turns instead on the reach of Congress’s enumerated powers, which I think is more extensive than does Curt (who is joined in his more restrictive view by John Yoo, who argues this point extensively in his 2001 Michigan Law Review article and whose argument I disagree with in my article).

I also disagree with Curt’s suggestion that it is somehow anti-democratic to conclude that the Article II treaty power is not limited by the same federalism concerns as Congress’s enumerated powers under Article I. As I discuss in Part IV.A. of the article, the Article II Treaty Power and Congress’s enumerated powers are separate and independent powers of the federal government and subject to distinct limits; it is no more reasonable to think that the Treaty Power is limited to the enumerated powers than it is to think that, for example, Congress’s power to provide and maintain a navy is limited to its power to regulate commerce.

Even though the Treaty Power is not limited in the same way as the legislative power of Congress, it is far from unlimited. It is instead subject to limits of its own, consistent with its distinct purpose. Article II treaties, in the words of Thomas Jefferson, “must have the consent of a foreign nation.” They must, moreover, be genuine--that is the parties must have a mutual interest in the subject matter of the agreement. That mutual interest can be manifested in reciprocal or respective commitments by the parties. By contrast, a treaty concluded for the sole purpose of enabling a party to avoid its domestic lawmaking rules would not constitute a genuine agreement. The necessity of a foreign partner willing to enter an agreement of mutual interest serves as both a justification for and a limit on the Treaty Power.
Do Congressional-Executive Agreements Establish More Reliable Commitments Than Treaties?
As we explained in our first post, we agree with the broad “interchangeability” thesis as a matter of constitutional law, and we are, in general, quite sympathetic to Oona Hathaway’s comprehensive case on behalf of a presumption in favor of the use of congressional-executive agreements (CEAs) rather than treaties . . . principally because of the more robust democratic nature of such statutes. Professor Hathaway, however, argues further that CEAs are preferable to traditional treaties because they “create more reliable international commitments.” Although we think this is occasionally true--in circumstances we described in our prior post--we remain doubtful that the “more reliable commitments” argument is sound as an argument for a more comprehensive abandonment of treaties in favor of CEAs.

Oona’s case for the greater reliability of CEAs rests principally on two claims: (i) that commitments made through CEAs will be easier to enforce (presumably against the Executive branch) in domestic courts; and (ii) that it will be more difficult for the President to withdraw the United States from CEAs. In our view, both prongs of this argument are doubtful.

1. Professor Hathaway first claims (see page 181 of her draft) that “[i]nternational law truly binds only when there is a way to enforce a state’s obligation under international law in domestic courts,” and that CEAs are preferable in this respect because they “allow[] for a one-stage rather than multi-stage process to create [this] enforceable legal commitment.”

For starters, we question the premise of this argument (and we suspect Oona does not really mean to embrace such an unqualified proposition). Even where there is no means of enforcing a treaty or CEA in court, that agreement obviously does, at least in a formal legal sense, “truly bind” the United States: Not only does it impose an international law obligation, but the Supremacy Clause (and, for the President, the Take Care Clause) requires the political branches of the United States (and, where relevant, the States) to comply with the treaty or statutory agreement as a matter of domestic constitutional law. Take, for example, Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. Congress’s recent diminution of judicial review over claims involving Geneva violations, and its dilution of the War Crimes Act (in sections 5 and 6 of the Military Commissions Act, respectively), have significantly (although perhaps not entirely) foreclosed judicial enforcement of Common Article 3 against U.S. government actors. Nevertheless, the United States, and the President, remain obligated, under both international and domestic law, not to engage in cruel treatment and torture with respect to detainees, by virtue of the prohibition in Common Article 3—and notably, no one in either the legislature or even the Bush Administration has suggested otherwise.

Perhaps, however, Oona has in mind a less formal concept of “bindingness.” She implies that the absence of judicial enforcement renders our legal commitments, as a practical matter, of little or no worth in the eyes of other nations. But that would be an overstatement. Indeed, state parties are often quite skeptical of the fairness with which domestic courts resolve international law disputes. In the United States, for example, skepticism about foreign court interpretations of international law trace back to the period of the Napoleonic Wars and the decisions of British Admiralty courts affecting U.S. neutral shipping. The Sabbatino decision rested on just this concern, applying it, self-consciously, even to U.S. courts. In any case, international law has flourished in many countries even without any form of judicial enforcement. Both here and abroad, domestic courts have rarely played a dominant role in enforcing international law obligations. (The sui generis case of the EU is an exception, of course, but an exception made possible, among other things, only because of the shadow cast by the ECJ’s compulsory jurisdiction.) In this nation, as in many others, whether as a result of various kinds of justiciability doctrines or because many international law disputes do not yield plaintiffs willing to bring their disputes to domestic courts, international law is most often enforced by the political branches without involvement by the judiciary. Therefore, although we agree that judicial enforcement is a matter of importance in some contexts, we think it is a mistake to suggest, as a general proposition, that the “truly bind[ing] character of international law” depends on its availability in all cases.

But happily conceding that judicial enforcement will sometimes be important in enhancing the reliability of U.S. treaty commitments, we nevertheless question Oona’s claim that it is easier to provide for such enforcement by using CEAs as opposed to treaties. The whole question of judicial enforcement of treaty obligations in the United States involves complexities and uncertainties that we will not try to resolve here. It is clear, however, that for many, if not most treaty commitments, the President and Senate—depending upon, inter alia, the treaty language, existing statutory provisions, and the context in which a treaty claim is raised (e.g., as the basis for a cause of action or as a defense in a habeas or criminal proceeding)—have constitutional authority, without the involvement of the House, to provide for judicial enforceability. And, indeed, throughout U.S. history courts have frequently enforced treaty commitments even in the absence of legislation.

In the relatively small number of instances where this is not the case, Oona’s claim is potentially more persuasive. As she observes, in the case of a CEA the necessary implementing legislation can be included in the same enactment by which Congress authorizes or approves the agreement itself—thereby necessitating only a one-step, rather than a two-step, process. Of course, that this can be does not mean that it will be done, and recent experience with, for example, human rights treaties, suggests that the problem is not one of institutional misalignment but instead of political will. Even had these agreements been submitted as CEAs, it is doubtful that Congress would have specifically provided for judicial enforcement—as, indeed, it has not, at least as to private enforcement, in the case of NAFTA and the WTO. Be that as it may, however, the important point is that the added burden of the two-step process only exists in some cases and, therefore, cannot be a strong ground for an argument for the presumptive superiority of the CEA over the treaty. The CEA is superior in this respect, at most, in those unusual cases where the President and Senate are constitutionally prevented from providing for judicial enforceability.

2. Professor Hathaway’s second and more central claim is that it is easier to prevent executive withdrawal from CEAs than from treaties. We are not persuaded, however, that there is a meaningful difference in the two models when it comes to restricting withdrawal. Oona concedes, at least arguendo, that the President has unilateral authority to withdraw the United States both from treaties and from congressional-executive agreements, in accord with the terms of the agreements themselves and background rules of international law. She likewise concedes (see note 284) that both the Senate in giving consent to a treaty, and Congress in adopting a joint resolution approving an international agreement, can provide that their consent/approval is conditioned on restricting the President’s withdrawal power, such as by requiring that withdrawal be effected only by congressional resolution presented to the President. So where is the difference?

Oona suggests that the difference might lie, not in how the President can be limited before a withdrawal, but instead in what happens after a withdrawal: she argues that whereas when the President terminates a self-executing treaty, that treaty’s status as domestic law under the Supremacy Clause immediately ceases, legislation implementing a congressional-executive agreement can, by contrast, survive the President’s termination of the agreement.

This theory is intriguing, but ultimately unconvincing. As an historical matter, Congress in fact has not generally enacted the substantive provisions of CEAs into domestic law. More often, its joint resolution merely authorizes the President to conclude a particular agreement, or approves an agreement he has already negotiated. Such authorization itself is no moment, however, once the underlying agreement is undone and, thus, it has virtually no effect in most cases of withdrawal.

More importantly, even legislation implementing a pact will ordinarily be dependent on the ongoing validity of the agreement under international law. In the absence of clear congressional language to the contrary, there is simply no reason to think that the legislation will outlast the international obligation, not because the President has repealed or violated the legislation (something he may not constitutionally do), but because the legislation no longer serves the purpose for which it was enacted: Once the international agreement is denounced, the implementing legislation will become defunct of its own accord. (Notably, this is equally true of legislation implementing a so-called non-self-executing treaty.) Does Oona believe, for example, that the provisions of the NAFTA implementing legislation dealing with dispute resolution panels (or, for that matter, any other portion of the implementing legislation) would survive a presidential termination of the agreement?

It is here that Oona makes her most striking suggestion—that CEA legislation might not only authorize an international agreement, but also commit the United States to abide by the terms of the agreement, as a matter of substantive domestic law, even where the agreement itself is not in effect: that the enactment might “specif[y] a course of action by the United States,” such as protecting particular human rights or observing particular environmental standards” (page 198 & n.291), and that this substantive obligation would not be dependent on the continuing existence of the international agreement.

This does not appear to be an argument in favor of using CEAs, as such—it is, instead, an argument for the enactment of substantive statutes that are equivalent to agreements the President has negotiated, only without the (potential) expiration date. Notably, Congress could enact such a substantive law regardless of whether the parallel agreement is a treaty subject to Senate ratification, or a CEA. But more to the point, we very much doubt that either of the political branches would ever consider such a practice in either case. If they were, however, so motivated, the far more sensible approach would be simply to require, as Oona concedes they may, that the President may terminate an agreement only with a supporting congressional resolution presented to the President.

Finally, even if Congress were to prescribe that its substantive legislation—whether for a treaty or a congressional-executive agreement—shall survive a presidential termination of the underlying agreement, foreign states are not apt to view the continuing validity of the legislation as evidence that the United States is a more reliable treaty partner. The whole point of making treaties, as opposed to engaging in parallel acts of legislation, is to create a binding international law obligation on both parties to enact and retain the relevant legislation. If the President formally withdraws from a treaty commitment, the former treaty partner will view the United States as unreliable, in Oona’s sense, regardless of whether Congress in the meantime continues ex gratia to keep in place legislation that is consistent with the (former) treaty obligations.

3. One final point, about the feasibility of Professor Hathaway’s proposal: Let’s say Oona were right and we are wrong--that CEAs can, in fact, more effectively constrain the Executive branch by (i) providing judicial oversight and enforcement of international obligations and/or (ii) by limiting the circumstances under which the President can withdraw the U.S. from agreements, either formally or in effect. The especially odd thing about such arguments is that Oona is addressing them to the Executive branch. Her article is a plea to the Executive branch that it should, as a matter of practice, choose to use the mechanism for concluding international agreements that, in her view, would most constrain the President’s discretion in future implementation of, and withdrawal from, such agreements. Why is there any reason to think that the Executive branch would embrace such a self-restricting proposal? To the extent the Executive branch does prefer CEAs, the more plausible hypothesis is that it does so because it finds it easier to obtain consent to agreements it has negotiated by going to Congress than by submitting them to the Senate where the minority veto still looms large.

Oona further concedes that the Senate’s cooperation would be necessary to the realization of her proposal. Yet, she seems to underestimate the degree of resistance that is likely to come from that quarter. There is much history, going back to the late 1960s—the National Commitments Resolution, various failed legislative proposals to deal with executive agreements, the Senate’s failure to give consent to the Vienna Treaty on the Law of Treaties, and so on—suggesting that the Senate and the House do not see eye to eye on this problem and that the Senate’s acquiescence in the CEA mechanism therefore has its limits as a practical political matter. However normatively attractive the idea of phasing out the treaty may be, Professor Hathaway has not yet fully explained how that is likely to come about.
How to Evaluate International Lawmaking: Democratic Legitimacy v. Popular Sovereignty
I very much enjoyed reading Professor Hathaway's very strong contribution to an already strong literature on the relationship between treaties and executive agreements in U.S. law. In my view, the particular strength of the article lies in its empirical analysis of U.S. treaty and executive agreement practice, an analysis that has rarely been done in prior work on the subject.

Indeed, it strikes me that Oona's article offers new support for the proposal made in John Yoo's 2001 Michigan Law Review article, which also proposed relying on CEAs for everything that falls within Congress' Article I powers. Yoo's justification was on somewhat different grounds, but both Yoo and Hathaway end up in roughly the same place. If there is anything that is outside of Congress' Article I powers, then Article II treaties can be used to take care of those kinds of agreements. The only difference, as far as I can tell, is that Oona does not think there are likely to be many such Article II treaties. Both Yoo and Hathaway, though, would be content for the vast majority of international agreements to go through the CEA process, but neither is arguing for true "interchangeability" in the sense that CEAs are exactly co-extensive with Article II treaties.

Additionally, the Yoo and Hathaway articles both invoke democratic legitimacy to justify the use of CEAs over Article II treaties. This is a powerful and important rationale for evaluating international lawmaking which is too often ignored by prior scholarship in the foreign relations area.

So far so good. If John Yoo and Oona Hathaway can agree on a proposal, and even that democratic legitimacy is a crucial justification for their proposal, there is decent chance that a consensus is developing somewhere (and who am I to disagree?).

And yet, I am not quite fully on board. It strikes me that, even more than democratic legitimacy, international lawmaking in the United States must also comport with American notions of popular sovereignty. Popular sovereignty, in my view, explains why the formal requirements of the Constitution for public lawmaking (e.g. the presentment requirement) should be adhered too even if they are less efficient or even if they are less democratically legitimate (see, e.g., the Electoral College, the Senate, etc). The touchstone of legitimacy for U.S. public lawmaking, I suggest, is not simply that the most democratic method is used, but whether the method comports with the mechanisms embedded in the U.S. Constitution by acts of "popular sovereignty" (or to use Professor Ackerman's terminology, higher lawmaking).

By this criterion, treaty-making is more legitimate than CEAs because it is a product of "popular sovereignty" that embedded lawmaking mechanisms into the U.S. government structure. Note that legitimacy is not the same as "the most democratic system." Rather, the argument is that changing the structure too fundamentally, even for the best of reasons, undermines the basic foundation of the U.S. system of constitutional government.

I think Professors Ackerman and Golove recognized the importance of popular sovereignty in their search for a post-WWII act that would qualify as an act of "higher lawmaking" that would justify CEAs. I'm less sure they found such a qualifying act, but I agree with the necessity of finding one that would justify the dramatic shift away from existing practice that Professor Hathaway is proposing.


Creating Strong International Commitments
David and Marty have hit on what is probably the most counter-intuitive claim of the article. I argue that congressional-executive agreements create more reliable commitments than Article II treaties, both because they are more likely to be enforced and because they can be more difficult for a single branch of government to unilaterally undo.

First let me note a point of agreement between me and David and Marty. They take issue with my claim that congressional-executive agreements give rise to stronger commitments than do Article II treaties. But they do so by essentially arguing that the two are effectively the same in this regard. Hence they appear to agree with me that the current conventional wisdom is wrong: treaties do not create stronger commitments than do congressional-executive agreements. Our disagreement, then, is simply over whether congressional-executive agreements can be used to create stronger commitments than Article II treaties (as I argue) or whether the two types of agreements instead have similar force (as they seem to argue).

Now let me say a bit more about why I think that congressional-executive agreements can create stronger commitments than can treaties. (I will not repeat everything that I say in the article—for those who want the long version, it can be found in Part III.C. (“More Reliable Commitments”).)

First, let’s consider the issue of enforcement. My focus on enforcement in domestic courts derives in part from my broader work on what I call the “domestic enforcement of international law.” I have written about this in articles on the cost of commitment to international treaties, a study of the promise and limits of international law, in an analysis of Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, and a cross-national empirical study of why states join human rights treaties. The basic underlying premise in each of these pieces is that international law is most effective when it is enforced in domestic courts.

From this general proposition comes the more specific claim that I make in Treaties’ End that our international agreements create stronger commitments when they are enforceable as a matter of U.S. domestic law. With treaties, creating enforceable commitments is often a two-step process. The U.S. constitution specifies that ratified treaties are the “Supreme Law of the Land.” And yet things are more complicated than they might at first seem. Some treaties are not self-executing. For example, many of the United States’s human rights treaty commitments are not self-executing. There are also treaties that are on their face self-executing but that nonetheless require implementing legislation--including, most notably, treaties that require appropriations.

Congressional-executive agreements avoid all these difficulties. They are created by means of legislation. That legislation not only has a status equivalent to federal statutory law (as is true of treaties), it is federal statutory law. Hence congressional-executive agreements offer one-stop shopping.

Second, David and Marty raise questions about withdrawal. I again note that David and Marty do not argue that treaties create more lasting commitments—just that congressional-executive agreements and treaties are essentially the same in terms of their durability. Hence they apparently agree with me that durability is not an argument in favor of Article II treaties.

I go a step further, however. I argue that congressional-executive agreements can be more durable than treaties. David and Marty are right that the difference here is subtle, but it is important nonetheless. The key point is that a treaty commitment rests entirely on the existence of the international agreement. If the President unilaterally withdraws from the treaty, then any direct domestic legal effect of the treaty vanishes. The legal force of the legislation giving rise to a congressional-executive agreement does not rest, however, on the existence of an international agreement. The President may be able to unilaterally undo the international commitment, but the President cannot unilaterally undo the legislation. To the extent the legislation that gives rise to the congressional-executive agreement creates domestic law that operates even in the absence of an international agreement, that law will survive withdrawal from the international agreement by the President. (For example, the legislation might provide that once tariffs are lowered pursuant to a congressional-executive agreement, they may not be raised to their pre-agreement levels in the absence of a new statute—even if the agreement is no longer in effect.)

Finally, David and Marty ask why a President would ever agree to create stronger legal commitments in the ways I’ve suggested. Why would the Executive branch ever “chose to use the mechanism for concluding international agreements that, in [my] view, would most constrain the President’s discretion in future implementation of, and withdrawal from, such agreements?” The answer is simple: a presidential term lasts four years and a President can be re-elected only once. The President might want to create a strong international legal commitment that will withstand his or her successor’s efforts at unilateral withdrawal.

Why would the Senate agree to go along? First, I’ll note that the Senate has been complicit in a long-term trend away from Article II treaties toward congressional-executive agreements. When the NAFTA “side agreement” on the environment was proposed as a congressional-executive agreement, Senator Ted Stevens objected on the grounds that it should have been submitted as an Article II treaty. Not a single other Senator voiced support and the agreement was approved. Second, the Senate has every interest in concluding agreements that require congressional support to be undone. The Senate is currently powerless to prevent the President from unilaterally withdrawing from treaties it has approved (the courts have repeatedly refused to step in to stop the President from unilaterally withdrawing). The Senate has everything to gain from a system that would require the President to return to Congress before undoing the results of an international agreement.
CEDAW, Federalism, and Democracy in U.S. International Lawmaking
I'd like to join the conversation prompted by several of the posts, particularly Curt’s insights on federalism and human rights. Federalism has been frequently used as a red herring in the context of ratification debates over human rights treaties. Structural labels such as “federalism” have been invoked with some regularity to veil more substantive concerns underlying resistance to human rights treaties. For example, let’s examine the debate over U.S. ratification the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW).

Gender equality is a national problem that requires national solutions. However, in the 2002 CEDAW ratification debates, structural concerns regarding federalism were advanced to mask substantive resistance to women’s equality. As I’ve explored in greater detail elsewhere, in the ratification debates, treaty opponents cloaked themselves in banners of “constitutionalism” and “federalism” as a way of obscuring the role that culture and cultural stereotypes play in U.S. resistance to women's human rights. More precisely, by foregrounding federalism, treaty opponents asserted a particular view about localism (and therefore local culture) as a mode for addressing gender inequality, rather than acknowledging that the ongoing disenfranchisement women face has a distinctly national character. (Consider the fact that reproductive rights, Family Medical Leave Act, the Equal Pay Act, and Title VII all involve federal constitutional law and/ or national civil rights legislation, despite objections by “states rights” adherents).

Conservative commentator Phyllis Schlafly expressed what were essentially cultural objections (to what she viewed as CEDAW's radical approach to family and the role of women in society) by invoking the notions of federalism and limited government. In an article written shortly before the June 2002 CEDAW ratification hearings, Schlafly invoked federalism to assert that CEDAW's provision concerning family planning “levels a broadside attack on states' rights.” Schlafly pointedly wrote, “Private relationships should be none of our government's business, much less the business of the United Nations.” Invoking the principle of limited government, Schlafly also rejected what she viewed as CEDAW's support for government intervention in the market. She criticized the fact that CEDAW applies to discrimination against women “by any person, organization or enterprise”--a provision that extends the Convention's protection to private actors, including corporations. Schlafly was also critical of a provision in CEDAW which ostensibly requires equal pay for work of comparable value (a notion reflected in the “comparable worth” doctrine, which some U.S. courts have rejected, though hundreds of co